[vtech]

Never fails...Just when you think got it all figured out....
Rather surprised that IC didn't fix it as I'd verified it several times before. Just for the sake of curiosity, I'd swap the IC from a new supply to the old one and see it operating again....oh well it figures...

So, are you saying that with the new identical IC, even though still not working, it is different from the pulsating DC level you had with the original one?
If so, there has got to be more than one problem as the symptoms sound different? You may end up resorting to draw up some sort of a diagram but before doing so, make sure to check for things such as cold/cracked solder joint(s) specially around where the connectors are and verify resistor values---especially anything in the feedback loop as it almost sounds like a chopper attempting to operate in an open loop.

To answer your question in regard to other failures, capacitor/resistors are the likely target in any SMPS. Higher value resistors may open up for no reason and electrolytics tend to dry up.

[fpc3]

Well folks...

I received two of the ICs from London and installed the one in the power supply. No change. All I get is the blinking Standby LED. I measured power out of the power supply and there are a couple of pulsing sawtooth type outputs, but no real DC.

There is no schematic for the smps, so there isn't a whole lot left I can do without creating a schematic for it like vtech once did.

vtech, were there any other "common failures of the smps?

Thanks for the help.

Frank

[fpc3]

IC ordered!

I did disconnect the PD wire... the receiver would not turn on with that disconnected.

Also found that ICM21 (KA/FAN 8082) controls the DVD tray and that IC is controlled by the MPEG processor. So perhaps things need to be closer to perfect to allow that to operate correctly.... Or the processor is zapped (?)

Thanks!

Frank

[vtech]

[fpc3]

vtech,

I just realized that you said the PD controls the SMPS. Does that mean I shouldn't be supplying power to the PD lead?

[fpc3]

Thanks vtech for the explanation of the PC and PD points.

Per your direction, I found a slot under the unit, through which, I moved a lever to open the DVD tray. (now I can remove the front cover and the DVD tray). I then turned everything on... But still no reaction from the DVD player. The tray remains in the position I manually leave it and the disc drive never begins to turn. It doesn't seem as simple as not having power since the words: "DVD/CD" leave the display when that is selected. The portion of the display showing which speakers are selected remain on. Go figure. It seems the voltages from the power supplies are pretty close to normal. And, of course, there is no schematic for the board that interfaces with the drive.

There are two IC's between that small board and the 208-pin MPEG processor on the DVD board. It's hard to tell off hand, what their function is -- like whether they sense for drive status or whether they control the drive.

I'll get the IC ordered.

Thanks again for the support,
Frank

[vtech]

A few things, PC and PD are important but not have anything with the DVD not working. PD and PC are power down and power control. PC is controlling the relay driver txistor and PD is a way for the microprocessor to be able to power down the SMPS if/when a power fluctuation detected---for example, lets say everything was working OK and you start having a brown-out where the mains drop below a certain threshold, processor will automatically trigger the PD line and shut down the SMPS to prevent malfunction due to collapsing supplies.
At this point, change the IC and it may solve the DVD problem however, there is a possibility that you may also have a DVD control issue.--especially if it was a surge issue to begin with and going over it is beyond the scope of this forum. You can always do the typical voltage readings, but in general it is rather difficult & at times impossible without special jig set ups for trouble shooting.
Also, I know there is some sort of an opening on the front bottom corner of the unit where you can reach in and turn a gear manually that opens the tray--just not sure of it's exact place, may even be a small window?

[fpc3]

I agree JTS... I too think the problem will go away when the smps is fixed - hopefully with the IC. And I was just thinking of removing the dvd drive as a unit... just to get to the board under it. But it seems you need to open the tray to get the front panel off. I haven't figured it out yet.

The unit failed at turn on after being off for a week. So I don't know whether the CD/DVD player would have been selected at that instant. The unit was in standby when the surge or whatever occurred. So just the smps was turned on. But the DVD board is powered from the smps voltages.

I just raised a 5.6v point up from 5.0 (5.0 was easy to get). But it made no difference. It seems all voltages are close to what they are normally except for the P/C & P/D voltages, which remain questionable. I have them set to something like 4.4vdc because they are shown as such elsewhere in the schematic. But I am wondering if there is more to those than a constant dc level.

It is a strange problem in that the display normally shows the input selected -- Whether it be FM/AM along with the freq., VCR, SAT, AUX, or DVD. But, unlike the others, when DVD is selected, that portion of the display just blanks after 2 or 3 seconds. I would think that the display circuitry would have little to do with the input selected. It's as though the display becomes dependent upon the DVD section to drive it when in that mode.

Thanks for your help and interest JTS,
Frank

[jts1957]

Also if everything in the system was working correctly when it "died," then everything should be working once you resurrect SMPS.

On the other hand, if the CD/DVD was in use when the unit "died"

[jts1957]

Maybe when the correct IC is installed problem will go away by itself. Stranger things have happened.
I'm just saying that if you disassemble the DVD, make sure that you can reassemble it "correctly" as right now it should be "timed" correctly.